Shadow Work, Human Design and the Goddess who is Night with Nikki Vergakes

Nikki Interview

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[00:00:00] Ashley: Welcome to Dine With the Divine. I'm your host, Ashley, and together we'll be talking about everything magical, mystical culture, and everything else in between. So in today's episode, we'll be talking a little bit about shadow work and a lady of the night. Hi everybody. I hope you're having a great week, and if it's not good, I hope it gets better.

[00:00:28] So today we have a great guest. Her name is Nikki. And Nikki is a queer Boston beast, content creator, life and business coach, astrologer and hypnotherapist, with a focus on shadow work and subconscious healing. Hi Nikki, how you doing? Hi,

[00:00:45] Nikki: I am good., how are you? Thanks

[00:00:47] for

[00:00:47] Ashley: having me. I'm good. I'm good. And, living the dream, , when I have people on, I always ask 'em the first thing is like, How did you even get started with any of this? Like how did this happen for you?

[00:00:59] Nikki: Oh, I love that. [00:01:00] Freezing. How did this happen for you, Uhhuh? Because it just happens sometimes.

[00:01:04] Ashley: Yeah, exactly.

[00:01:06] Nikki: So yeah, in terms of like where at my business and also just getting into like spirituality and shadow work.

[00:01:14] My upbringing was I went to Catholic school and, , so that, Catholic school to Gay Witch Pipeline is

[00:01:24] Ashley: just real. Sorry. That's funny. Catholic school. Really gay. It's,

[00:01:35] I have seen it though. I know. I've seen Catholicism is very,

[00:01:39] Nikki: there's so much incense. It's very witchy.

[00:01:42] Ashley: I always tell people my first introduction to magic is it was Catholic church. Cause I, it's so ritualistic. It's just like it's, it is literally, it's Christian magic basically. Except they just pretend it's not.

[00:01:55] But anyway, go ahead. I'm sorry.

[00:01:56] Nikki: Because they also are like, this is body and blood for [00:02:00] real.

[00:02:00] Ashley: Yeah. You're like, what? Okay. That's fine. It's kinda weird, but, okay. Cool. Cool.

[00:02:07] Nikki: Yep. , yeah, so that was interesting and it was felt like I had to follow like a traditional and just overachiever kind of path, which I was up until a certain point.

[00:02:23] I studied communications. I worked in corporate pr in marketing and in, and also once I so had just had this super busy overachiever path until I graduated college. It was definitely like, wow. , when I didn't have like my whole, when I only had a job to go to when I didn't have, yeah.

[00:02:48] All of this other stuff and just like really being alone with your thoughts. With my thoughts for the first time, , started therapy and started unpacking some things. Then [00:03:00] I started my business after three years of corporate, , PR as a social media manager, and that was four years ago.

[00:03:10] And I just kept following the next, I'm a manifesting generator in human design. So just following the next bit of inspiration to going from social media management to social media and marketing coaching to business coaching to, like my business really was the thing that turned me from just meeting the people that I met and starting to, traded with a reiki healer for some, and I did some social media and.

[00:03:45] Very early on in my business and, business just brings up so much to heal. And I had already worked on body image things, so that was the next thing. Reiki was on top of the just [00:04:00] traditional therapy that I was going to, was really, it, it just was one of those moments where I was like, wow, this feels like I should have quote unquote felt in church all of those years.

[00:04:15] Just like it. All of just connecting with spirit and all of that and yourself and your subconscious, just felt so right. So like my personal healing journey and my journey of getting certified and helping people. Has been parallel. , in 2021, I was full-time business coaching at that point, but my business coaching was always more thoughts and beliefs and feelings based or forward.

[00:04:48] So I got a big certification of life and success coaching and a bunch of modalities and reiki attunement in clinical hypnotherapy, , an emotional [00:05:00] freedom technique. And then in September 21, 21, up until last June, I was in a big course where I learned astrology and human design. And now obviously I just, that's like a lifelong, it's all a lifelong practice.

[00:05:19] Cuz there's so much to learn there. So I really have liked you just fine tuning. My how I help people and just unlearning and healing so much more within myself, like healing through burnout and perfectionism and and interpersonal peop relationships and people pleasing and things. So yeah, now just, it just became more apparent and I've just really honored that more and more of that my bi that the way I [00:06:00] help people is they don't have to just be entrepreneurs.

[00:06:04] I have life coaching clients too, and like the lens is really just sitting through, sitting in, sifting through, being in your, the stuff that. You don't want to always see about yourself the

[00:06:22] Ashley: shadow. Amen to everything you said. Okay. Where did we begin? Cuz there's so many interesting things you just said.

[00:06:28] It's interesting how you said having your own, having your own, starting with your own business. It brought up so many things. I think when somebody has to, I think when somebody starts their own business, even though it doesn't matter what the business is, it's like you're relying on yourself now.

[00:06:46] So you have to like really, truly believe in yourself. And then sometimes you're like, oh shit, I actually don't believe in myself. You're like, Ooh, actually, I dunno if I can actually handle or do all these things. And then I'm having a [00:07:00] crisis it's very scary.

[00:07:02] Nikki: Yep.

[00:07:04] Ashley: Yes. Cause you're like, oh, fun shit.

[00:07:07] I know. I remember ever like thinking, like with a lot of things with business , but what if , I actually do. What if I accomplish all the things I want to? That's the scariest thing I've ever thought of in my life.

[00:07:21] Nikki: That's a, yep.

[00:07:24] Ashley: It's, I think it's, and I think a lot of that comes from , I feel like a lot of people could probably relate to this.

[00:07:29] You're so used to like fighting and being, I gotta get to the top, I gotta do better. That when you're like, you think to yourself , if I do get to where I wanna be, what else am I gonna do then?

[00:07:41] Nikki: Yeah. That's a big part of Yeah. The fear of success is, and that's sneaky because it's, we're not used to thinking

[00:07:50] Ashley: that's what we

[00:07:52] Nikki: would be afraid of.

[00:07:53] And so yeah, a lot of times it's cuz we're just used to, we don't know what it's like [00:08:00] to not be struggling for something. And also then it brings up a lot of like perception stuff of you're also used to being seen as someone in that space and. Then people are then basically people's perceptions of you, or you're opening yourself to that and you have to see yourself differently as well.

[00:08:32] Yes. When

[00:08:32] Ashley: you succeed. Yes. Yes. And you have to like looking at yourself. Yeah. It's all very, it's all very complicated and it, like you said it all goes back to it all goes back to a lot of things, like the way you grew up, the way you always looked at yourself, the way people told you were supposed to be, and then you get older, even if you grew up, like with I grew up with not a lot of money, and I always think to myself if I had a lot of money, like I, I feel [00:09:00] like I wouldn't know how to function in that space.

[00:09:03] Like just because I'd be like, I am so used to being like, we don't have money. Like even when I have been fi anytime I'm like, financially okay, I'm still like, In that mode of no. Don't spend that much money. Like we, we can't. So it's like you, you have to learn a whole new way of living and learn what's okay, and then learn how to like, stay like level in that space too.

[00:09:27] You can't go to either extreme, it's either, it's not good, but it's, I think it's all about trying to learn how to like, find middle ground in any of that. And it can be so complicated and I think that's why a lot of people, I think any major change warrants, therapy, I think in anybody, any major change in your life.

[00:09:46] Because you, if you have, if it's never happened to you, you may not know how to handle it. And that's fine. Like when you go to a professional who can be like, let's sort out why you can't handle this, or let's give you some really great coping mechanisms so you can handle it. [00:10:00] Yeah. But even with business, I think that's a major change for people.

[00:10:03] If people start their own business now you have to rely on you. That's a major change. And another thing you said that I was just I wanted to touch on. So human design is so big right now. Like I, everybody's doing human design. A friend of mine does human design. And when she was she did my chart for me and.

[00:10:23] I know, like she just did the chart, so she taught, told me a couple little things. I didn't pay her, so she didn't tell me too much, which is fine. I didn't want her to, I was like, I need to pet. You don't tell me too much. But she was like, I'm like a manifesting generator too. Yeah. Yes. It's very cool.

[00:10:37] And it explained my I would, I'm not gonna call it bird brain, I'm not gonna say that, but I just get I just wanna try everything. I get very excited. I'm like, oh, I have an idea. I think we're gonna do this. I think we're gonna do this now. And my mom sometimes would be like, you're just a Renaissance woman.

[00:10:54] You just wanna do everything. But it helps so much. When I learned about that a little bit I think Could you [00:11:00] explain really quick like what human design is for anybody who's never heard of it?

[00:11:06] Nikki: Yes. Because it like, yeah. I love that. It is interesting that. Yeah, an a like you, your friend was just telling you a few things.

[00:11:15] Like even when I, cuz I've done a few recently intro base level, like people don't know anything about human design before going into the reading for the, or not much readings. And it is it's so much information. There's so much even human design and astrology, like even what we see even on astro dot, astro.com kind of has everything, but there's still things that you can click that we don't usually click.

[00:11:49] Or like the Channy app or something. There's fixed stars and asteroids and then there's timing techniques. And same for human design. There's. So much to [00:12:00] it. And like from me learning it, I always say that I learned enough to keep learning because I also I'm a speaking of human design I'm a six two in my profile and which is just really how you approach things.

[00:12:15] And my, the two means like, I wanna know everything about something. But so it, when I, when people start type strategy and authority is just like really what I, what people have to the, it's like your big three and, but it's your big three, but it's like nothing else Makes sense. Unless you know those things. So the manifesting generator is your energy type. But what human design is it's good. It's good that it's big right now. It's fairly new, within, yeah. Obviously Astrology's Ancient and Human Design combines a bunch of ancient systems.

[00:12:53] It combines the Zodiac and your natal chart. And your natal chart is actually how [00:13:00] everything comes to be for your chart. Your natal chart, the chakra system, the cabal of life, and the itching. And it is less up for interpretation like astrology. It really is this is how is best for you to operate.

[00:13:19] If you operate in this way, then you're going to have just the path of least resistance for yourself. It. Is a practice. , not everyone is living , cuz like it's really good for managing your energy and making decisions and like really how to do things and respond to the external stimulus around you.

[00:13:43] Really what like it's a roadmap for, and so not everybody, when they see their chart, aren't making decisions based on what is said there. So it's like you have to unlearn and decondition cuz society wants us all to be generators but [00:14:00] there's five energy types and unlearn and then start practicing your design.

[00:14:10] Ashley: Yeah, I know a lot of people who are using it say that it really helps them understand themselves. So understand why, they like, why they go through life, the way they go through it, why they think the way they think. And I've seen it really help people sort it out.

[00:14:24] And also I think it's really affirming for people. They get their reading and they're like, oh okay. So the way I am isn't wrong or it's not like too much. It's just this is like who I'm supposed to be and I'm fine with that. Like I've seen that do, seen it do that for a lot of people, which I love.

[00:14:45] Yeah. Okay. Also, okay, so astrology, let's talk about it for a second. I don't understand it. I will never understand astrology. I know I shouldn't say that. But it's just a fact. I don't [00:15:00] understand. And I always joke cuz I saw this like on Twitter or whatever, one of people say mur Mercury is in microwave.

[00:15:07] Or I always say shit like that because I really don't, I'm astrologer

[00:15:10] Nikki: and I say that. Okay,

[00:15:12] Ashley: just cause it's funny, it's hilarious to me. I'm like, yeah, I'm more curious. Am microwave. I know I'm a Gemini. I don't know my houses and like the moon and all this stuff. But my basic question here, it's just like, how do you not find it so complicated?

[00:15:29] I just wonder it seems so complicated and like you, it seems like there's so much to understand. So Is there I don't know where this is from, but people say there's levels to this shit. Is there just like levels to astrology? The deeper you get, the more complicated it is or what do you, how do you deal with this

[00:15:48] Nikki: abs? Yes. And yeah, but studying it is, I saw that, but it's also how I learned it because just like human design, like Yeah. It's building blocks. So for you, yeah. [00:16:00] As somebody who does not know a lot about astrology, I'm not going to look at maybe I would say the interpretation, but I'm not gonna look at your chart and be like, you have Neptune trying your son in the fifth house and it's retrograding like I know all.

[00:16:20] But also, unless you wanna study astrology, that's on just as a, as people in general. That's not on unless the consumer wants to really research it. They in order, you don't have to know every, everything about everything for it to be applied and to make sense. And I, that's why in the eighties sun sign astrology was popularized.

[00:16:50] Cuz people didn't really look at their sun sign as much until astrologers wanted people to start paying attention to astrology. So they went [00:17:00] with the sun sign and so sun, moon and rising, starting off with that. Yeah. It is layers like, and it all makes sense and. And also this is just a key for interpretation is, you're going to have a planet that's in a sign and in a house, and those are all parts of the sky.

[00:17:21] And this planet is the what, like the action. So Mars, sex and conflict and aggression, let's go with that. And sign is the how is the adjective is the style. So Mars and Scorpio, it's happy in Scorpio, but it's it's very deep, mystic deep and kinky. Like it's Mars and Scorpio's a very kinky placement.

[00:17:48] Cause it just loves things that are like, it's swamp. It's I just think of Scorpio as. Like it's in a, it's in a swamp in a good way. Okay. And in the [00:18:00] 12th house, let's say, which is all about like connection to spirit and the subconscious and like escapism and hidden, just hidden stuff.

[00:18:11] So you may be very, that part of you may be very hidden. That's very much giving guys on Wall Street who go and then go to a dominatrix dungeon and nobody

[00:18:21] Ashley: knows. Got it. Who knows what goes on after that. Got it. No, that makes a lot of sense. Okay. All right. Yeah. Cause

[00:18:30] Nikki: the house is the area of life.

[00:18:32] I don't know if I said that, but Yeah.

[00:18:34] Ashley: Okay. Awesome. Thank you for giving us all that juicy information. So next we are gonna go on now to our next section here, which is our dish of the week. So today we have a couple, because we're gonna be talking about a Greek goddess.

[00:18:50] So I picked some Greek foods and I know you have a Greek background, correct. Yeah, so we just, we're just doing some Greek stuff today, so I picked [00:19:00] because it's my podcast, so I picked some of my favorite Greek things. So Okay.

[00:19:09] Loving it. I feel that way already. It's all good. Yes. Including Nicki, who's a dish and herself we're going to eat some Spanta kopitda. I love Spanta Coda. Oh yes. I am a spinach freak. I like spinach on everything. Me too. I love spinach. It's so good. It goes with everything I think, and especially if you're eating anything creamy.

[00:19:32] It goes with it. Yes. Yes. I made

[00:19:34] Nikki: spinach for spinach Florentine this week.

[00:19:37] Ashley: Nice. Oh God, so good. My relationship with spinach is skewed cuz tmi, it gives me stomach problems, but I don't care. I'm just living on the edge. I'm like, if someone's you have to eat spinach for every meal, I'd be like, no problem, let's do it.

[00:19:50] I'll be on the toilet all day, but no problem. It's awesome. I'm sorry everybody does not wanna know about that, now sometimes I have a lady,

[00:19:56] Nikki: Makes my tongue feel weird, which is probably not [00:20:00] great. But

[00:20:00] Ashley: that's what happens to me with pineapple. My mouth gets like very itchy. So I probably have an oral allergy to pineapple, but I don't care.

[00:20:08] I'm still gonna eat pineapples all the time. Yep. Look we're just living on the edge and we love it.

[00:20:16] So if you've never had s span of coda, you should trader Joe's actually, if you don't wanna make it, I get it. It's the, it involves filo dough. And Filo dough is like this very thin dough. It's hard to maneuver. So if you're like, I can't do it, that's okay. Go out to your local Trader Joe's.

[00:20:33] They have very good span Cota. And if you don't know a Trader Joe's, it's a grocery store that's like a little fancy but cheaper than Whole Foods. So it's really cute. And I love a trader Joe's. Yes. So basically, yes, it's Filo Dough, which is like a thin a thin flaky dough. And inside it usually put spinach, usually put what do they put?

[00:20:55] Feta, cheese. Feta, they put? Yeah, they put some different herbs in it. Got some [00:21:00] egg whites in here. Not egg whites, but eggs. So I put all the Oh, here we go. I couldn't find the recipe. Found it. Okay. So it's spinach, parsley, onion, garlic, put a little olive oil in there, some eggs, feta cheese, a little dill weed some black pepper.

[00:21:18] And then on top you're just gonna put the phlo dough and then you're gonna bake it and all that good stuff. And I always put everything in the show notes if you wanna make it, if you wanna see what it looks like, if you don't know what it looks like. So that's man, COTA. So the other

[00:21:32] Nikki: thing we're ha it's not authentic, but my mom always puts like goat cheese and walnuts in too and it's so good.

[00:21:41] Ashley: Stop, I'll die. I love goat cheese, like me too.

[00:21:46] Nikki: Feta is also a goat cheese cuz, or sheep because that's what's around those animals are in Greece in a lot, but.

[00:21:56] Ashley: I didn't know that.

[00:21:57] Nikki: Wow. It's like a goat [00:22:00] based cheese. Yep.

[00:22:02] Ashley: Okay. Oh wow.

[00:22:04] Nikki: That's, which is why it is easier to digest. It's not cow's milk.

[00:22:09] Oh, wow. Learning so

[00:22:13] Ashley: much, I know. So now it makes sense because I like cheese with that bite and goat cheese has that like bite in it. Me too. Aha. Look at the Lord we serve. Okay. So that is great. Now I know. Wow. And goat cheese is easier to digest because it's not cows.

[00:22:31] Okay. I love the goat anyway. Lactate, lactose or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. And have you ever used like goat milk soap? It's really nice. Yes. Yes. I love a goat milk soap and I always get it like farmer's markets, but it's a little expensive, so I don't always get it. I wanna pay people what they're worth, but sometimes I don't have the money, but it's fine.

[00:22:51] Anyway, so on this side, so that's Span goat. We're having a whole meal today, so we're having Spano Coda, [00:23:00] that's like our app now. We're gonna have on the side a chickpeas salad. Who doesn't like a chickpeas salad? It's pretty simple and it's also always really fresh and I feel like everybody's happy with the chickpeas Salad.

[00:23:11] Let's see. What are you guys gonna put in your chickpeas salad? Ooh, me too. They're so good. You can make it like, it's one of those things you can make a day be ahead and it's still good when you take it out. It's not like a salad that'll go brown really quick. And plus you put like lemon juice and olive oil and that kind of preserves it a little bit.

[00:23:27] A little bit of salt, black pepper, cherry, tomatoes, cucumbers, chickpeas or garbanzo beans. I prefer chickpeas too though. Little red onion. So you better bring 'em in cuz your breasts about to smell a little bit. Don't worry about it. It's gonna be delicious. An avocado, sun, cilantro, and what we just talked about, some feta cheese.

[00:23:48] And you put that bad boy in a bowl and you mix that bad boy up and it's good. So that's what we're having on this. Yes? Yes. All right. And our main [00:24:00] dish. I should have picked something else out. You can stop with a chickpeas salad if you're a vegetarian or a vegan, just stop right there. Actually tell them not to put the feta cheese in it if you're vegan it, but there's vegan feta there.

[00:24:10] Oh, you know what? There's so much vegan cheese now, which is awesome for people who are vegans. I'm not a vegan. I am a carnivore to the max. Not really. I'm not gonna act like that, but like I'm just, I'm African, I can't not eat meat, basically. Or I just starve. But I did not know there was vegan feta.

[00:24:28] Okay. Me yoko's,

[00:24:30] Nikki: I think is Yeah. The

[00:24:31] Ashley: brand. There's a lot of vegan cheese. Okay. Are you a vegetarian or a vegan? No.

[00:24:37] Nikki: Okay. Like I just, yeah. I wanted, I want to try it all. I want I do have a lot of that stuff. I mix it in with my everyday, not just intentionally, just sometimes I'm like, Ooh, that looks, yeah, let me, yeah, I'll have a vegan cheese this

[00:24:50] Ashley: week.

[00:24:50] Sure. Absolutely. Unless it's just fun to try those different plant-based things just to see if you like it. I have not found, have I had, the [00:25:00] only thing I have issue is sometimes is I don't, and I've never tried it, so I can't say it works or not, but I don't know if things are gonna melt the same if it's a vegan cheese, get a little nervous about that. Yeah. It doesn't always, yeah. So I'm always like, oh, I don't know if you wanna use it for cooking. I don't know if you use it for a topping, I'm sure it's fine. Cuz you're just putting it on something. But if you wanna melt it, oh, I don't know.

[00:25:21] Vegans. Let us know. Let us know how that works for you. But if you're not a vegan and you wanna have some lamb chops, that's what we're gonna have with our chickpea salad. If you go to mostly Mediterranean restaurants, like it doesn't necessarily have to be Greek, but they have a good ass lamb chop.

[00:25:39] Oh, I love a lamb chop. So you can put anything on a lamb chop. You can season however you want olive oil. Here we go with some more lemon juice, cuz why not? We got some oregano, we got some garlic, we got some salt, we got some black pepper and we got some olive oil. So that is what we'll have our main dish.

[00:25:57] I was hoping

[00:25:58] Nikki: it was lamb. Yes.

[00:25:59] Ashley: [00:26:00] Yeah, lamb forever. Lamb is best. And then we're gonna wash it down with One of my least favorite liquors, but we gotta have it. It's Uzo cream. I

[00:26:13] Nikki: yeah. I don't like Sambuca. I don't like, I will have

[00:26:17] the one that I'll have at the carat, like at Asian restaurants, like Sure. But yeah, I don't, oh, I, cause I don't like any an well, yeah, there's so much of anise said or whatever it is, like just, yeah, there's, so even in there's the Greek like Christmas cookies that have this icing that's like that.

[00:26:34] Yeah. Don't like those flavors. But, you have no choice. You

[00:26:38] Ashley: have to have Uzo you basically, that's. It. So you, there is like not far from where I live, like maybe 20, 25 minutes. There's a Greek Orthodox Church and every year they have a fair. So we and my friend, we went one year and it was cute.

[00:26:52] And like we watched all the kids. They do like these traditional dances and these costumes are adorable. And then we do, there was just a whole bunch of cool stuff there. So we [00:27:00] went and this guy was just like, oh, are you over 21? And I was like, yeah. And he's here we go. This is a Greek liquor, basically.

[00:27:08] I didn't know what it was at all. He didn't tell me it was Uzo. He just said it was Greek liquor. I was like, okay. So he's like, all right, it's cheers. So we cheers each other and then I just downed it. And he's wait. And I was like, what? Stop. And I said, what do you mean stop? I just drank it.

[00:27:23] Oh no. It was so funny. First of all was like, I was like, oh my God. Ugh. Yep. Yes. And then thank God my friend had driven cuz within two seconds I was tipsy and like it is. Yeah.

[00:27:41] Nikki: I brought back when I went in 2015 to

[00:27:43] Ashley: Athens.

[00:27:44] Nikki: A Uzo in a little glass that like, looks like the Acropolis of course.

[00:27:50] And Oh. And I brought it back to my dorm and I was like, yeah, I'll have this Uzo for a party one night. And[00:28:00]

[00:28:01] ooh,

[00:28:04] Ashley: it is a lot. I was like, Ooh, girl. So yes. Like you, I never can say, is it's, Anise An

[00:28:12] Nikki: I don't. Yeah, an Anna set. Anise. I think Anise. No anise. Sounds

[00:28:17] Ashley: like a name. Yeah. Anna set is at least how old Anna set. Okay. Yeah. Anna set. Or if nobody knows what that is. Cause I didn't for the longest in my, it tastes like black licorice.

[00:28:26] Yeah. That tastes I, my mom loves black licorice but she doesn't really like alcohol, so she wouldn't like it. But yeah, it's really strong. I think it's like 45% alcohol. It's 90 proof. So you have one shot and you're like, Ooh. You feel it. You're supposed to sip it. According to the man who gave it to me, which I didn't do, and he was like, oh, you'll be all right.

[00:28:46] Just take a seat. I was like, okay. He's don't worry. I was like, alright.

[00:28:52] Nikki: It's like ever clear.

[00:28:55] Ashley: It was like, I was like, damn. Okay. This is a lot, but it's fine. Everything [00:29:00] was fine in the end so I didn't drive and it was fine. But that's something everyone should experience. Even if you don't like it, just try it cuz it's fun.

[00:29:06] So those are our dishes of the week. Oh, the next thing I do is this is a part of the show where I plug myself. So my name's Ashley and this is my podcast. And if you really like it, just pause right now and go and give us a five star rating. You can write a little review if you'd like.

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[00:29:43] We're just gonna talk a little bit about shadow work and what it means and what it is. Nikki, why don't you tell us first what does shadow work mean for you?

[00:29:50] Nikki: Yeah so shadow work, so the shadow is, you may, along with people saying that they're doing shadow work, you [00:30:00] may either hear the term shadow expression of a certain energy, like in astrology every.

[00:30:09] Sign has two energies to it, which is, and people only focus on, which is what I hate, the, a lot of times the shadow quote unquote expressions of certain energies and but there's also gifts like where Virgo can see things that not everyone else is gonna see and makes systems in their head, things make sense and have a place to go.

[00:30:37] And then the shadow part can just be when you're a little too over controlling with that. So the shadow expression and she like our shadow. So I describe it. It's something that's within us. I also do. Do a lot of my work through the lens of parts work of oh, there's one, there's a part of you that wants this and there's a part of [00:31:00] you that wants this.

[00:31:01] And they're all valid and they're all invited to the party and they all have a reason and can work together. But it's a part of us. And it's a few different things that I say. Whether it's something that somebody something that somebody hasn't, maybe something that, like somebody isn't proud, somebody isn't proud of, like a tendency, it's like a tendency that they know they quote unquote shouldn't do, but they do.

[00:31:38] Something that it can be it relational like. Look, , if somebody, , if a creator that you watch, if you quote unquote hate watch them they, trigger you in some way, likely they're exemplifying something that you wish you could do or [00:32:00] like secretly deep down, or that you think that you do and you're insecure that you do it.

[00:32:06] So like insecurities, it really is when with like spectrum, every single behavior has a spectrum. And it's when you go on the side of the spectrum that is. Causing you to do behaviors that don't make you feel good or don't make others feel good, and it's likely, and this is where the shadow work part comes in it's like there's a reason you're doing that. You are hiding from something or you just have, you have the belief that it's not okay to be the opposite thing, or to, you are overcompensating for something that's showing up as like a shadowy behavior because you [00:33:00] have a belief from how you were brought up that it's not okay to be one thing.

[00:33:06] So you're trying really hard in the other direction. . It's not about getting rid of that part of you forever. I just don't see that as like realistic. you're going through life, you're human and things are going to be re-triggered within you. So it's really about not being afraid of it and not hiding from it.

[00:33:29] So like sitting with it and getting curious about it and understanding why it's there and then understanding what behaviors you do that are related to it. And then having like tools for when it comes up, whether that's self. Soothing or whether that is let's unpack this or whether that's like interrelational tools.

[00:33:53] And then also that's why I like to use hypnotherapy and energy healing [00:34:00] because that's, they're healing that part of you so that it's less present. That neural pathway isn't as strong. It's not gonna be your first instinct.

[00:34:15] Ashley: Yes. I so agree with you. It's never gonna go away, whatever your shadow side is, but there also is I feel like number one, like you said, if you, your healing helps people to figure out this is not the first way I have to react to things.

[00:34:32] And also sometimes your shadow self. It's I always think of it also as like your fight or flight response. Like it's necessary to have a fight or flight response. That's because the way humans have evolved from time when we were, Neanderthals, you had to be scared of a bear so that you would leave the area if you saw one like cuz that was not good.

[00:34:54] But it's not good to live in that fight or flight response that's super, super unhealthy. But [00:35:00] what you can do is, for instance, let's take an emotion like rage. A lot of people may have rage and you may have rage from whatever it is. Maybe it could be trauma, it could be just growing up in a house where there was a lot of rage where you thought that was normal, whatever.

[00:35:14] But you can use your rage in, we. In healthy ways. For instance, I think of people who play sports, a lot of people who play sports, maybe they have an issue with not everybody obviously, but some people use their anger or aggression in a way that is more controlled, that actually becomes something that they can be proud of.

[00:35:36] They're accomplishing something. Same thing with most forms of art. A lot of people have certain emotions and then they use art as a form of expressing their emotion or transmuting that to something that is tangible and make sense that they can see and they can analyze. So everything you said makes perfect sense.

[00:35:57] And I just wanna go into something else that you [00:36:00] said. We talk about a little bit about how the shadow self comes up for people. So first of all, everything Nikki said was very well articulated and I'm just gonna add that we can. I found a really good article I put in the show notes we can call the subconscious mind.

[00:36:18] This is from the article. We can call the subconscious mind the shadow because we cannot clearly see it and thus we are not completely aware of it. And the conscious mind, oh, sorry. I meant the subconscious mind, the conscious mind is akin to the light because we can see it clearly and we're aware of it.

[00:36:33] Sometimes our shadow sides are really deep within us, but like I was saying, it can actually be a strength if you learn how to use it. And some ways that it can come up. And Nikki already talked about this, but I'm just reiterating is number one in projection. Like she said, if you see somebody else do something and you're like, Ooh, I don't like that, or Ooh, that's like bothering me.

[00:36:55] Sometimes it's because it's something you do and you know for yourself you don't [00:37:00] like that behavior that you have. It can be a trigger. Trigger is similar. You see something and you're like, oh, this is really bothering me. And sometimes it's because it's something that someone has done to you that now brings out a certain emotion or makes you feel a certain way and you can't deal with that or patterns.

[00:37:17] And I always think of shadow selves and a lot of people say, like with relationships, sometimes somebody will say I don't know. I keep dating the same person over and over. And sometimes it's. Because you are, and I'm not saying it's always that person's fault, but we might display certain behaviors that that attract certain kinds of people and those people maybe, okay, I'm not even gonna go into it.

[00:37:45] You may attract toxic people sometimes in your life. No, because you have certain behaviors and until you start to recognize your, be those behaviors, you will just keep attracting those toxic people and toxic relationships. That happens very often to a lot of [00:38:00] people.

[00:38:00] So there's a lot of value in looking at your shadow self. That's why we have people like Nikki to help us do that. Another quote we have from this article that I liked was said, while many spiritual teachers, life coaches and psychologists love shadow work and feel like it can improve a person's life, others believe that it's not beneficial.

[00:38:19] They will believe that going, when you go looking for dark things, you'll find more dark things. Yeah. Yeah. But why not? Yeah. Okay. And then

[00:38:28] Nikki: you can, okay. That was

[00:38:30] Ashley: there. I'm like, ok. Me and you both have the same face. Yeah.

[00:38:37] Nikki: Yeah. And you would rather just that be hidden and you just not be aware of that and you wouldn't.

[00:38:44] And yeah. It's, then you can work with it if you find it. That's the point. Yeah.

[00:38:50] Ashley: So this, I didn't put all this in my little notes, but I, this brings me to another subject that I think we should just touch on cuz it annoys me and let's talk about it [00:39:00] cuz I feel like it probably annoys you too.

[00:39:01] Spiritual bypassing. Can we stop? Let's just stop hey hey, stop. Just stop. Please. Just stop. So what Spiritual bypassing is what I used to call, and I don't wanna offend anybody, but I used to call them the love and lighters. Yeah. Yeah. I hope nobody is offended by that.

[00:39:22] If you're a love and lighter that you like to say that, that's totally fine. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but I used to know a lot of people, especially, and you probably do too, Nicki, like when you're in this space, a lot of people are just like, oh, I wish you love and light. I wish you love and light.

[00:39:35] I'm like, first of all, you haven't solved any of my problems. None. We haven't discussed any of the things that are bothering me. I used to know like a woman who did reiki and this was her thing. She was just like, I do reiki and it's fine. And I'm like, okay, but do you talk to your clients?

[00:39:48] She's no, I just do the reiki and it just goes. I'm like, girl, there's no way. In any spiritual space, I don't think, I think most practitioners would agree with us. And from your grown, Nikki, I think you agree with [00:40:00] this too. That you, there's not, there's no healing comes without going through what you need to heal.

[00:40:06] Nobody can help you heal , when you don't wanna talk about it. And I do wanna say, it's totally okay to not be ready to talk about something. That's fine. You, everybody's on their own journey. But when you are ready, if you go to a practitioner and they're just like, I'm just gonna put my hands above your head about two inches, and then in 10 minutes you're gonna feel amazing and you're cleansed and your everything is fine.

[00:40:28] That's a lie there. You're not, maybe you will feel good for a few days, even maybe a week, but it's gonna come back up because you didn't actually sort through anything. You just Did that, and that's what spiritual bypassing is. And I feel like a lot of people, okay, sorry. This is, a lot of people make a lot of money off of doing that and it annoys me.

[00:40:49] That's all I wanted to say about this. Oh yeah.

[00:40:54] Nikki: This is not, this is controversial. No, because , it's controversial for people who do [00:41:00] it and Yeah. They're like, I wanna be doing that.

[00:41:09] It's a, yeah, it's a bandaid and if, and just be even if that, even if there's healing done to,

[00:41:23] I'm like, what are they even healing? Like when I think of breaking healing, I think of Physical and emotional damage. It's so and if they're quote unquote healing a pattern, which through reiki then, but you're, you still think that you're, that's still like what?

[00:41:41] You're still gonna act that way cuz you haven't unpacked why you're just gonna keep doing it and then it's gonna keep happening.

[00:41:49] Ashley: Exactly. And it doesn't, nothing gets solved. A lot of, spiritual, any type of spiritual, even emotional, we can talk about emotional healing, right?

[00:41:58] Even going to a [00:42:00] therapist, if you're just doing like therapy for your mental health, if you're trying to move on from something or move forward from something, there's usually pain involved because whatever you're trying to move forward from, Upset you in some way, and that's why you wanna get away from it, right?

[00:42:16] You have to work through things. If somebody's just saying, just journal, and then you never discuss what you journal. That's not helping you. And it's the same thing for any spiritual practitioner.

[00:42:25] If you're just going to somebody and they keeps seeing you and they keeps seeing you and you're like I still feel this way and I still think this way. And the person isn't talking you through it, they're just like giving you a course crystal to hold. Doesn't it that happen? And there's usually a, there's, and like we're talking about shadow work.

[00:42:46] This is digging into a part of you, like you said before, Nicki, that maybe you don't like that. Maybe this is something about yourself, that you're like, I, this part of me is not my, I'm not being my best self when I'm my shadow self. Most [00:43:00] people aren't. And the whole point of digging into it is to see how can I adjust my behavior for myself to make my life better?

[00:43:08] And to make me feel better about myself. So I don't feel that this part of me is necessarily gonna come out uncontrollably or I can't, deal with it and I can't handle it. And also, how can I do this? Also, probably for the people around me. Maybe there's people in your life who are like, bruh, you go into rages and you need to literally chill yourself out.

[00:43:28] You're putting in holes in your wall and stuff because you can't deal with it. So shadow work is super important and. While spiritual bypassing does make people feel good in the moment. And I think sometimes because of the way we are as a society right now, people are looking for that instantaneous, healing.

[00:43:48] There really isn't such thing. It's all a process and it's all something that you have to go through. It's all something that you have to think a lot about and it sucks. But when you come [00:44:00] out the other side is when you're like okay, see, this is actually kinda works. It just takes time.

[00:44:08] Nikki: Yeah.

[00:44:08] It's even more satisfying when you are like, oh, I was able to bring myself through that.

[00:44:14] Ashley: Yes. That's what I'm saying. That's the, and I feel like that's the thing. It's like anything that you really work through or you really put a lot of work into, when you bring yourself out of it, you're like, oh, I did that for myself.

[00:44:28] I did that for me. And. And maybe you may think this is something I never was gonna be able to deal with and I thought I could never move forward. But when you come out and you're like, damn, I'm way stronger than I am, it's 10 times more rewarding than feeling good, feeling like you've been quote unquote cleared by somebody who just waves some garden sage in your face for 10 minutes.

[00:44:50] And you feel cleared for a week. But when you do that deep healing and you're like, no, this is, these are strategies and this is healing I can carry for the rest of my life, [00:45:00] that shit feels amazing. Yes. Oh, okay. What was the other thing I wanna say about shadow work? Oh, one more thing I'm gonna say about shadow work is this another quote I read that shadow work is simply becoming aware of what's hidden and gradually healing those aspects of yourself and a couple ways you can integrate your shadow.

[00:45:21] These are five things, but obviously if you see a practitioner or somebody like Nicki or somebody else, the we go way more into this, but some of the ways people integrate their shadow is they can go over their childhood and figure out maybe where it was that this thing came about or why, whether it had to do with your family, whether it had to do with people in your neighborhood, whatever.

[00:45:43] A fear, something like that. Becoming aware of your shadow, which is like the hardest thing for most people is just being aware and acknowledging the fact that this is something I struggle with. And I don't know, there was a time [00:46:00] in my life where I had a lot of anger. But I could not, I would be like, I'm not angry.

[00:46:04] I'm like the most positive, happy person you've ever met. Meanwhile, I was mad as hell, like I just didn't wanna ever. Talk about it, but once I actually started acknowledge was like, yeah, I'm mad about seven different things. Like it felt so good at the end. I cried a lot, but once I was crying, it was great.

[00:46:23] Crying was great. Crying was great. It was so good. I cried so much. Yeah, I know, right? But after just this first step of acknowledging things, just how people do in different groups, whether it's like Alcoholics Anonymous or anything. The first step to ever healing anything is acknowledging that it's a problem.

[00:46:44] So just acknowledge your problems, everybody. It's gonna be fine. And then don't shame your shadow. Oh, sorry, Nikki, were you gonna say something?

[00:46:52] Nikki: I just wish that I feel like I like am just shaking my fist every day, acknowledge everyone, acknowledge your problems.[00:47:00]

[00:47:03] Ashley: Me too. I'm like, this is a problem and we all need to talk about it. Let's just talk about it. Like we're all gonna be fine if we just acknowledge it. Oh, and the other thing is don't shame your shadow, which is super important too. You don't have to be ashamed of the, first of all, everybody has problems.

[00:47:22] Everybody is n nobody is their best self all the time. You can think of your favorite inspirational person. O like off the top of my head I think of Jay Sheti cuz he's like always, I like him a lot. I will watch his videos and stuff and I'm sure he has days where he is just damn it, everything sucks today and I really don't wanna do anything and I'm gonna be an asshole.

[00:47:45] I'm sure we all have days. Some days I'm like, be a little bitchy. Here I go.

[00:47:54] Nikki: But yeah yeah just admitting it, I always say to like, when I'm [00:48:00] talking to friends or really what happens a lot of the time in coaching sessions is there's when you just say something out loud and then it's not festering in your brain and body anymore.

[00:48:15] And so if you are acknowledging that you don't, you're not being yourself or whatever instead of by just saying that and naming it and then you're not like, Again, shaming yourself and just being like, everyone hates me because I'm being so mean today.

[00:48:34] Ashley: Exactly. Facts. I get very worried that everyone hates me cuz I'm being mean.

[00:48:39] Usually I'm not even mean that mean. Yeah. But like for two seconds I'm like, God, everyone thinks I'm the worst today. Jesus. I'm sorry. It's terrible. Use your triggers so you can find ways to use your triggers to like almost almo You can almost, I'm not gonna say trick, but you can use it th your triggers and look at them and acknowledge them and then you can make them [00:49:00] into a different emotion.

[00:49:01] Or you can learn how you're gonna handle that emotion when you do see those triggers. And observe yourself without judgment because that's where, that's how you can start to properly analyze and figure out what you feel like you, maybe you need, where you need to make changes or what you need to heal.

[00:49:16] But don't get everybody give the. Integrating your shadow. The big thing here is give yourself grace, everyone. Give yourself a little grace. Okay? Everybody, you can't be your best self all the time. Nobody's perfect. Everyone's going through something at some point. So just do your best to your best ability.

[00:49:34] When you're ready to acknowledge or move through something, do that. But if you're not ready, if you need to take time, just do that. Everyone, just give yourself a minute. That's that's my big, I feel like that's my I wanna put that on my, like my gravestone. It'll just say, give two a minute. Yeah.

[00:49:49] Everyone just, it's fine.

[00:49:51] Nikki: Don't worry. Acknowledge your problems and give yourself a minute. I'm also always going around just being like, just give yourself, just be. Be nice to yourself. [00:50:00] Yourself.

[00:50:00] Ashley: Exactly. Because who else is gonna do it? Sometimes nobody's gonna be nice to you and that's fine. Okay, so now we're gonna talk about, we're gonna do our little story, but today's, this week's story is not so much of a story because there's not a lot of stories about this person.

[00:50:14] I'm just gonna talk about this goddess because she's so cool and I just really enjoy talking about her. So when. We're talking about shadow works. I was like, okay, let's talk about a dark goddess. A lot of times when people think of a dark goddess, they think like Hackee. They think Kali or the Morgan.

[00:50:32] But this goddess is before all of that, she was like, this is like the original. Okay, so this goddess is, we're gonna talk about Nyx. So Nyx is the Greek goddess of the knight. She is. She, Nyx is the knight. That's like how big of a deal she is. She's not the goddess of the knight. She's just the knight.

[00:50:53] She is the knight, yes. It's very cool. So the thing about Nyx is that she is [00:51:00] a primordial goddess. She is the oldest goddess, basically. And I'll explain. How we'll just explain that in relation to Zeus, most people have heard of Zeus. Zeus is the Greek God.

[00:51:12] Zeus is a king of the Olympians and he lives in heavens Now. Before Zeus was Zeus, his daddy was Kronos and his mama was Raya. And the two, there's a whole story, we'll talk about it another time,

[00:51:25] but Cronos and Raya had a bunch of kids, Hara and a bunch of Zeus's brothers and sisters. Anyway, Zeus, Kronos was like, tried to eat all his kids, but Zeus, he was the last one. So Raya hid him. Just know that Zeus went and he conquered Kronos and a bunch of Kronos siblings and put them in Tartarus.

[00:51:47] That's where he put the Titans. Kronos was a titan. So there was a big war between the Olympians and the Titans, and the Olympians got to go up and the titans had to go to tartar or socials, like they were [00:52:00] banished over there again. We'll tell that story another time. So Kronos parents, so that's This is Zeus's parents.

[00:52:05] Kronos is parents, were Uranus and Gaia. Gaia being the earth and Uranus being the sky. And they both were made from chaos. Chaos was the void. It's the original. It was nothingness basically. And out of nothingness, the first thing that came out of the nothingness was Nyx. Knight. So that's how old Nyx is.

[00:52:29] She is the queen of knight. She's super, super powerful. She was the first one, like I said, that came outta chaos. Oh, the second. Yeah. Nuts. The second thing that came out, chaos was Abu and Erebus is, Nick's is partner in life. Abus is darkness. So Nick's is night, Erebus is darkness.

[00:52:53] Nick's and Erba got together because they were the only two. There's a lot of weird incest in all mythologies, but just, no, they [00:53:00] were the only two at the point. This only, who else were they gonna bang? So they came out and that's what happened. She's often seen as wearing a black veil, studded with stars, which I think is really pretty.

[00:53:10] So her and her partner, so in some stories it says her and Arbus gave birth, but in some stories they say that Nicks did it all by herself. I think Nicks did it by herself because she's that powerful. She just made more people. So Nicks in Avu, they made Ether and Humira, and so Ether is, Ether is light. So Ether and Herara. So one of the stories, not really a story, but one of the things they say is that Nicks and IBUs live in the same house as Ether and Herara, but they never see each other. Cuz as one leaves, the others come. So that makes perfect sense day and night.

[00:53:49] So Nick's also gave birth to a whole bunch of other kids. And again, we think maybe she made them by herself, but we don't know. These children of Nick's are so powerful that [00:54:00] even the Olympian, gods, Zeus and all his brothers and sisters they're afraid of them. That's how powerful they are. So some of his some of her kids are Hypnos, which is sleep andis, which is strife, nemesis, revenge.

[00:54:16] The Morai, which were the fates or the Furies. Oh, and the Furies. Morpheus, which is dreaming mom, ridicule. Hes conflict. Morros Doom. Thanos, which is Death En Philos, which is friendship, which is really random.

[00:54:38] I was like, okay. Wanted to throw a nice one in there, or

[00:54:42] Nikki: happy.

[00:54:46] Ashley: I know she like made all these kids and then she's I'm gonna make like a cute one.

[00:54:50] Nikki: Yeah. Friendship.

[00:54:54] Ashley: That's adorable. I love it. , so the one story I found, [00:55:00] it's very short one time. Okay. One time Harra decided that she was getting annoyed with Zeus because he was messing up the Trojan War for her.

[00:55:08] I don't know. We'll tell that story another time too. Yeah, harra. Okay. We're not gonna talk about Herra right now, but poor Herra. But also Herra was like the worst. Herra was the woman who cause Zeus was always like sleeping around with other gods and stuff, and Nips, Zeus was sleeping to everybody and her was like the G, the other, her was his wife.

[00:55:32] But she was always mad at the other girl. And it's like her don't be that girl her girl. You're not mad at your husband. She's always tricking people and mad at him. Even like Hercules again, we'll tell this story later, but Hercules, the reason he went through so much was cuz her was mad that he was born.

[00:55:53] And it was not Hercules' fault. He was born, Zeus had cheated with someone else. And her's I hate you Hercules. I'm going to [00:56:00] do all this terrible shit to you. So I'm like her.

[00:56:03] Nikki: She's not a feminist.

[00:56:05] Ashley: Her is, what do they, what do? God, I feel old right now. What do they call? Oh, hair is a pick me.

[00:56:13] Yeah. Yep. Hair is the ultimate pick me. And it's ha, please stop. Stand up for yourself and stand up for women. Yes. Come on. Ha. Has a, like an Instagram page that's like about men's rights and it's like her Yeah she's on

[00:56:35] Nikki: those. Her and Zeus have a podcast

[00:56:41] Ashley: and they talk about how like, men are so oppressed, especially straight men. They're like, they're just, it's so hard for straight men. Like they want. Zeus is can you believe that women want us to like, work hard and be nice to them and be partners? How dare they? And hair is I know. [00:57:00] I just live to serve.

[00:57:01] You know what I mean? This, the whole thing is going on my head and

[00:57:07] Nikki: it's got, and it's number two on Spotify.

[00:57:14] Ashley: It totally is. Andrew Tate's, like their best guest. He comes on every other week and he just talks about how like women, like if you're not like a 10, I don't need to look at you. And Zeus is for real. And hair is I know like women need to keep themselves up. Like for real. It's oh my God.

[00:57:30] Oh my gosh.

[00:57:31] Nikki: Yeah. What are you, what are they wearing these days?

[00:57:35] Ashley: Like I just think it's really important to be modest. You know what I mean? I don't want other men looking at me like when I have a boyfriend or a husband. Like it's just not cool. Shut up Eric. Up

[00:57:48] Nikki: bitch.

[00:57:51] Ashley: Just kidding. Oh my God, I love that. It's number two on Spotify.

[00:57:57] My god, it comes on right? [00:58:00] Like the Joe Rogan advertises for them. Yeah. Yeah. Just underneath Joe Rogan. This is and Power Daddy

[00:58:08] Nikki: is right below. Oh,

[00:58:12] Ashley: I once, like one time in my life, tried to listen to like part of Joe Rogan's podcast. Cause somebody else had, yes, somebody else had mentioned oh, Joe Rogan's an idiot listened to this part. And I was like, okay. So I tried for 15 minutes. I was like, this is awful. Why don't people like this podcast?

[00:58:31] Nikki: Yeah. I stay, I steer clear. I can't,

[00:58:34] Ashley: It's awful. I was like, this is not good. First of all. It's and I like long, there's one podcast I love Hardcore History. It's like a 10 hour podcast. I don't care. It's good. But his podcast are all three hours of just him going on and on about.

[00:58:47] Nothing. Yeah. And then like interviewing assholes and I'm just like, I can't, sorry. Okay. Got off topic. Anyway, back to what I was saying. So Har her [00:59:00] was meddling in the war because she was like, oh, Zeus, you're not doing this right. And she got hypnos to come and she was like, Hypnos, I need you to put Zeus to sleep so I can go fix, do whatever I wanna do with this Trojan War.

[00:59:13] And hypnosis is no problem. I love to play some tricks on people. So he goes in, you put Zeus to sleep for a while. So then eventually Zeus wake up and he's what the fuck? And he's who put me to sleep? Oh, it said, damn Hypnos. So he goes running after hyp nose and, he was like, I'm gonna kick his ass.

[00:59:30] But then hyp knows he went and he is mom, hide beef from Zeus. And Nick was like, no problem. Hide within me. I am dark. Yep, I am knight. So he goes and hides within his mom and then Zeus came and Nicks came out and she's have we got a problem? And Zeus was like, absolutely not, ma'am. I am so sorry.

[00:59:51] This is why they say the only goddess Zeus is afraid of is Nick's. Because the one time, like he [01:00:00] tried it, Nick's was like, come back here again. Fuck around and find out. I'll tell you what's really up. And he was like, no problem. I won't be back, ma'am. I'm so sorry. I bothered you. Have a good night. And he left.

[01:00:11] So that's how powerful Nick's was. He never tried to mess with her at all. And the one thing I love about Nick is she protects people who work in the night. So some people say she's a she's a wonderful goddess for sex worker. She's a goddess for sometimes people say thieves, but also anybody who works in the night who needs protection in the night.

[01:00:33] And witches a lot of people say she's the one of the goddess original goddesses of witches. Ooh. Cuz she helps. Yeah. She helps people who work in the night and need to get through the night and she protects 'em. So that's my little thing about Nix this week. Ooh, I think she's, yeah, I put a little thing in the show notes.

[01:00:49] There was somebody on TikTok, this guy, I think his name was Brief Ed, and he has little videos and I love it. So I put his video in the show notes too. But yeah, so that's my little story about Nick's and she's fantastic. And [01:01:00] we stand for Nick's. Yeah. I'm

[01:01:02] Nikki: glad that I mean she's very, yeah. Related to shadow work too, and like the void.

[01:01:07] I love talking about the void and. Like she seems like a batty, so I'll be chicken her out

[01:01:15] Ashley: pretty much cuz she was like, I'm gonna have babies, but I don't need this dude. I'll have him around I guess. But I'm gonna do it. And I guess he was like, okay, you're the most powerful goddess on earth. I'll do whatever you want.

[01:01:25] She's that's right. Yeah. Yes. Don't question me. Okay, so that brings us to the end. So I'm so happy that you are here, Nikki, and that you came to chat with us. So I always wanna make sure that you tell people where you on one of my other favorite podcasts, she always says this, where do you wanna be found on the internet?

[01:01:42] Oh, I love that. Yeah.

[01:01:44] Nikki: Yeah. This was so much fun. I loved it. Thank you for having me. Love the conversation and like all of the segments and I learned so much. Me too.

[01:01:55] So on TikTok and Instagram, I am my [01:02:00] name, N I. K I underscore V E R G A K E S, and that's TikTok and Instagram. And I am this summer, I am like, like I said in the beginning, it's like just my business journey. I've just now honored, like really how my offerings are shifting and just honoring what the kind of work I actually wanna do.

[01:02:30] So I am, I don't know when it'll be out, but I'm taking the time to like reran and work on a membership and the launch of the membership and a lot of the pieces are already there. But yeah, there's going to be a business track and a healing track. And the business track also has some healing because again, that's what we do here.

[01:02:56] And there'll be a v i p upgrade for one-on-one [01:03:00] or whatever I'll call it. But people can always still work with me one-on-one, and you just book a subconscious assessment. And then I also do human design and astrology readings as well. And I also I am gonna be upping my content game with that as well, and just con being more, even more consistent.

[01:03:22] And yeah, Instagram and TikTok is where you can find me.

[01:03:30] Ashley: Yay. Okay. Go and follow her so you can be updated on everything that she comes out with in the summer so you can see all her content. She's super cute, so you just go look at her being cute. Like whatever you wanna do, it all works. Okay, , that's our show.

[01:03:47] This Is Dying With the Divine. You can follow us on TikTok, you can follow us on Instagram, you can follow us on Facebook, and you can also email me in dime with the divine pod gmail.com. If you have anything to let me [01:04:00] know.

[01:04:00] And if you wanna follow me, Ashley, I'm Sankofa Hs. It's s a n k O F A H S on Instagram and. I'm Sankofa Healing Sanctuary on Facebook. So yeah, that's our show for today and thank you so much, Nikki, for coming and I hope all of you enjoyed it and I'll see you next week. Bye bye.